MK is in a better place with Wukong back, either genuinely a better place or that 'I will pretend everything is fine until teeth are pulled' place which is generally stable for a little while and its easy to get out the teeth when he's cooked a little anyway. Less stable then.
It doesn't have to be a discussion. I'm offering any sort of coping in case you don't want to be alone for it. If you want to talk, drink, go fight some things, fuck (I spoke with MK), check out as many stage shows there are in Ellipsa, go terrorize another gang, whatever else.
I'm not going to force anything, but the offer is on the table.
I'm figuring out these things, it feels easier to just try and be upfront over being subtle.
It was actually a case of MK doing his level best to eat his own foot.
He's been dealing with a lot, and unfortunately, he's been on a hair trigger for his maladaptive coping mechanisms. When he's lost in the dark thoughts, he's desperate to see a positive change in anything due to his actions and he starts acting recklessly. You just happened to be the one to set off that powder keg. He wanted to see your relationship with him improve, so he was latching onto any idea he could.
We had a long talk about it. About you, and about a lot of other things he's been sitting on. Hopefully the next time he starts to get into that desperate, reckless mindset, he'll force himself to step back and breathe a minute, hopefully talk to me or Cole. Its a work in progress. If he gets that pushy again, call me and I'll drag him back for another talk.
Which isn't me offering to fix it for you, as wanting to know MK needs another thorough venting session so he stops pressure cooking his own anxiety.
He'll probably talk to you in the future about how forceful he was, if he hasn't already.
That's ridiculous. Not because you're not a catch or anything, but because neither of us would do that to him.
I would never have guessed that was his motivation from the way he was acting.
We did have a chat while I was apparently a little drugged, but drugged with happiness. So the conversation didn't make me nervous. I don't know if it reassured him or not, my mood being weird makes it all a little fuzzy, but he seemed calmer.
I can maybe try again if I need to. [ Not the most comfortable prospect, but he can attempt. ]
He didn't think you were stealing my heart, just having a close relationship at all. He was thinking you cared more about me than him.
He was panicked and desperate, acting on impulses based on his fear and insecurities. How he was handling it didn't make sense, it was just all he could think to do.
But at least he understands things better now. He knows to not push.
You don't need to push yourself into anything uncomfortable. He knows he needs to give you time. Let you set the pace.
I can't say his insecurities won't make him a Noodle Brain again.
But he does get it now. He's so used to anyone he hits with that blunt force affection just eventually giving in. Especially when it worked so well with me. He just needed a proper reality check.
Hopefully he'll just need a reminder if he starts getting too overbearing again.
True. But pushing when you were clear is also unfair of him too.
He doesn't. I made very sure that he was okay with it. If he lied to me that much it would be, one, very impressive of his poker face, and two, extremely upsetting and I hope he knows better, especially when it was supposed to be an open and honest talk.
I keep trying to think of ways that I could be closer to him, or at least try to, that would be comfortable. And I asked him if he wanted to bed me because it was a form of closeness I might accept more readily. He didn't address that really, but I suspect it might be true. It is for me. Shame that's off the table for now, I have no idea what Wukong would make of that and things there are fragile still.
I would not be surprised. He asked if I wanted to bed him while being very convinced I wasn't in love with him. He knew I was physically attracted to him, but was sure I didn't have those feelings for him.
I'm pretty sure it'll still be on the table for some time, so there's that.
All else being equal, I'd let him ask me to bed. I don't even know whether Wukong would care, in truth. He might not. But he might, and at some point I have to prioritize. If I messed things up with Wukong over basically a fling I'd be the biggest fool to ever live.
But that also means keeping MK more or less at arm's length for the indefinite future, and I don't like that either.
You keep saying that, but I've seen no evidence of it. MK is the exception. He's who Wukong listens to and respects and puts down his walls for. That's what makes the prospect so dicey.
No way am I asking Wukong about it. No way in hell. I'd sooner just go for it and take my chances, and that's not all that likely. Maybe if there was precisely the right timing.
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MK is in a better place with Wukong back, either genuinely a better place or that 'I will pretend everything is fine until teeth are pulled' place which is generally stable for a little while and its easy to get out the teeth when he's cooked a little anyway. Less stable then.
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You're answering questions I didn't ask, you realize.
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I know you're concerned for MK, and also to head off the 'you should focus on MK' because that happens a lot with several people.
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It happened, now it's done.
I don't know what there could be to discuss. [ A very reassuring answer, no doubt. ]
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I'm not going to force anything, but the offer is on the table.
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MK decided he can manage his jealousy over someone else touching you, then?
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It was actually a case of MK doing his level best to eat his own foot.
He's been dealing with a lot, and unfortunately, he's been on a hair trigger for his maladaptive coping mechanisms. When he's lost in the dark thoughts, he's desperate to see a positive change in anything due to his actions and he starts acting recklessly. You just happened to be the one to set off that powder keg. He wanted to see your relationship with him improve, so he was latching onto any idea he could.
We had a long talk about it. About you, and about a lot of other things he's been sitting on. Hopefully the next time he starts to get into that desperate, reckless mindset, he'll force himself to step back and breathe a minute, hopefully talk to me or Cole. Its a work in progress. If he gets that pushy again, call me and I'll drag him back for another talk.
Which isn't me offering to fix it for you, as wanting to know MK needs another thorough venting session so he stops pressure cooking his own anxiety.
He'll probably talk to you in the future about how forceful he was, if he hasn't already.
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[ And what does this mean for what he and MK discussed? Ahhhh ]
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He was more jealous of us having a 'relationship' over me sleeping with someone else.
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I would never have guessed that was his motivation from the way he was acting.
We did have a chat while I was apparently a little drugged, but drugged with happiness.
So the conversation didn't make me nervous. I don't know if it reassured him or not, my mood being weird makes it all a little fuzzy, but he seemed calmer.
I can maybe try again if I need to. [ Not the most comfortable prospect, but he can attempt. ]
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He was panicked and desperate, acting on impulses based on his fear and insecurities. How he was handling it didn't make sense, it was just all he could think to do.
But at least he understands things better now. He knows to not push.
You don't need to push yourself into anything uncomfortable. He knows he needs to give you time. Let you set the pace.
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I guess that's fair enough. I haven't been acting very reassuring. Hopefully he gets it now.
But I doubt it. He's a bottomless pit of reassurance.
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I can't say his insecurities won't make him a Noodle Brain again.
But he does get it now. He's so used to anyone he hits with that blunt force affection just eventually giving in. Especially when it worked so well with me. He just needed a proper reality check.
Hopefully he'll just need a reminder if he starts getting too overbearing again.
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If he really doesn't care about us screwing around, then good. For a number of reasons.
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He doesn't. I made very sure that he was okay with it. If he lied to me that much it would be, one, very impressive of his poker face, and two, extremely upsetting and I hope he knows better, especially when it was supposed to be an open and honest talk.
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I keep trying to think of ways that I could be closer to him, or at least try to, that would be comfortable. And I asked him if he wanted to bed me because it was a form of closeness I might accept more readily. He didn't address that really, but I suspect it might be true. It is for me. Shame that's off the table for now, I have no idea what Wukong would make of that and things there are fragile still.
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I would not be surprised. He asked if I wanted to bed him while being very convinced I wasn't in love with him. He knew I was physically attracted to him, but was sure I didn't have those feelings for him.
I'm pretty sure it'll still be on the table for some time, so there's that.
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All else being equal, I'd let him ask me to bed. I don't even know whether Wukong would care, in truth. He might not. But he might, and at some point I have to prioritize. If I messed things up with Wukong over basically a fling I'd be the biggest fool to ever live.
But that also means keeping MK more or less at arm's length for the indefinite future, and I don't like that either.
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But he probably would at least give you a straight answer if you asked.
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No way am I asking Wukong about it. No way in hell. I'd sooner just go for it and take my chances, and that's not all that likely. Maybe if there was precisely the right timing.