"You really think I'd do that to your friend without a good reason? Even if she challenged me I'd probably stall since I know she's not ready for what I can do. No disrespect meant. You're impressive and I'm sure she's impressive, for mortals." But also she wouldn't stand a chance and he wants to be sure she could accept that. Right now it doesn't sound like she could.
"I'm clear on what you need from me, Wash. I may not have every bit of confidence that I'll do it will but I can read a room." He sounds amused, and then kisses Wash's temple again.
And then a chuckle. "I suppose that wardrobe would be fitting for a picnic. And a trip to the smoothie bar you like."
"She is incredibly impressive. She can definitely beat me," he said and paused. "Or she could? It has been a few years, I might actually beat her like this. But yeah, no, I am aware where I'm at in the power scaling. I had to do weird cheating stuff to handle a fight with MK's clone and power armor." Sometimes its important to accept what you can and cannot handle. Wash can fight god. He just also knows its not through power, but teamwork and taking advantage of weird things. There is no solo'ing.
He kisses over his pulse. "Good to hear. I think you're doing fantastic."
"It is a good smoothie bar. What did you think? The banana might have been too sweet, but I made sure they didn't add anything to the mango."
"I was going to say, are you so sure she can beat you, with the pendant?" Magic counts for a lot if you know how to use it. "It might be closer now."
He chuckles. "When did you fight MK's clone? Also yeah, not even I can beat MK if he doesn't hold back. In fact, all my mates can wipe the floor with me if they really try, if you account for the Samadhi fire. Not that I think Red would break it out casually." Macaque is pretty powerful but there's still a scale.
Macaque can't help but smile at being told he's doing a decent job of this. "Well... good. I'm glad. If I can be half as helpful as you've been to me, I'll consider it a victory."
He hums in thought. "The banana smelled fine to me. I don't mind sweet as long as it's not artificial-sweet. The mango was great as usual." He kisses Wash's cheek in return. "I keep meaning to try the strawberry one you and Choco like so much. Or some combos."
"I only have ten casts, and there is a good shot I don't down her in the nine until I'm eating dirt. She's got an insane reaction time. I could just put her to sleep or paralyze her, but like that's just outright cheating," he said. And you don't judge by the one shot cheat move, that's just unfair.
"When he was possessed. Some art one, I guess? Managed to point out his symmetry was all wrong with the marks he left on the armor, threw him right off," he said. "But yeah, oneshot moves shouldn't be counted for power scaling. There's a reason you don't make scales with outliers."
"Hm, you have been more than half," he said. At least he thinks so.
He nuzzles his neck more, smiling a bit at the kiss. "Strawberry and banana is really good. I was just in a hurry because I thought I was going to have to menace some gang members stalking me." The reason his heart had picked up so sharply was because he didn't know Carolina had gotten close. He'd known someone was watching him, he hadn't expected that so suddenly.
"Putting her out for a friendly spar is a bit much." Agreed on that. "Now I'm curious if she's faster than I am. It would take a lot, but not impossible. Just pure speed without cheating, I mean. Something to wonder about once she's accepted magic as a thing. Speaking of, I'm not sure if you know what season she got, but she'll have to accept magic at some point since she'll be able to do it herself." Hard to argue with that.
"Ah, the art one is pretty basic as far as combat goes. MK himself is way harder to beat, especially if he shifts and with all the fancy new spell circles. He put handcuffs on me that even I couldn't break out of without my shadows. Whatever I missed back home it seems to be a lot." A whole training arc, or something.
Macaque purrs a bit upon hearing that he's been helpful. He wants nothing more than to be someone the people he cares about can rely on, in whatever capacity.
"You'll have to tell me what you like other than fruit if I'm helping make a picnic. I've gotten pretty great at foods from my home country if you like Chinese food. And of course I'll make something sickly sweet for you too. Ever had Peking toffee apples?"
"That I don't know. Probably not Spring, there isn't a lot there that screams Carolina. I could make an argument for any of the other ones," he said. "Hopefully I can convince her to go learn how to do it. She'd probably be great when she was accepting of it. She's a pretty fast learner when she gets going and she might be able to out speed you. She used a speed mod with her armor, and that one is real easy to hurt yourself with without AI assistance and she was able to use it fairly effectively solo all things considered."
When he says her reaction speed is insane, he means it. The mod made her run as fast as a speeding car.
"I imagine he would have been a lot harder if he wasn't mind controlled. You might get someone whose more ruthless while mind controlled, which can make them more dangerous, but they're also a lot easier to outmaneuver. Easier to lead where you're want." He's had to deal with it a lot. "A ruthless puppet will never match what a person could do going all out on their own."
"Its been years since I had real Chinese food other than what you guys have made," he said. He hummed "Meena had a recipe from her grandparents...it was this dumpling thing with sauce or broth in it? It was...xiao....lang? Long? Bao?" He frowned, fingers carding through his fur. "She had a couple of those, but its a lot harder to remember what those are, I was a teenager." Which was before his memory got freakishly good.
"There's that limit on how quick we can learn magic here, but once she learns creation and manipulation getting good at those has a high reward." Hmm, interesting that she's so quick.
Mind controlled MK is absolutely petrifying, as they learned with the Relius thing. "Yeah, well. I still got myself impaled, so. But I guess that was more because I thought I was seeing some sun peek through the mind control clouds."
Macaque nods. "Xiao long bao, soup dumplings. I can make those. See if what I make lives up to your memory."
"They really are. Even if fire is more limited than Autumn or Winter," he said. Wind kind of has that insubstantial problem. Though Spring does still have plants too.
"Oh, its still dangerous. Its just anyone who goes on how taking away a person's ability to feel bad makes them their strongest selves is just kind of an idiot. Being a puppet always hamstrings their ability, and once you can account for their raw power, they're always going to go down fast. Its just MK has a stupid amount of raw power to account for," he said.
"It might. It has been a few decades. I hadn't actually gotten the nerve to write a letter home yet," he said. "Preeeetty sure they were told I was dead early on in Freelancer."
Macaque nods. "Wukong was mind controlled once, and I fought him. But I was in my "no mercy" phrase and I also knew that he couldn't die no matter what I did. Things here were just a bit different, and Candid was talking to me like things were normal. Even before I really opened up I was pretty open, comparatively."
A wince. "The project was just the worst in so many ways."
"It did seem the clones were retaining at least some semblance of themselves," he said. "Which probably does point to them being able to become their own people thing. Need MK for a source of life, but not necessarily determine all they are. Given more time, they probably could have maintained themselves," he said with a thoughtful hum.
"To be fair, that's just secret organization bullshit too."
Macaque pauses for a long few beats, then nods. Talking about the clones is still a hard subjject, particularly about them maybe being their own people. That's what Macaque believed before things went to hell with Candid.
"Secret organizations can be bullshit but also less bullshit than that."
"A little. I was encouraging him to be his own person, that's how we got close. I didn't realize that I was accidentally encouraging him to try and take over to be his own person."
"That wasn't really on you. Its more...its the problem of being a splintered existence," Wash said. "Its a risk of being a splintered existence, because Candid is certainly not the first to try that kind of move."
"At the end of the game," so after the monitors went out, "he told me that he thought he was doing the right thing because he thought that I loved him most, and he loved me the most. More than MK. I'm not sure it's as simple as 'this was the inevitable result of a fractured existence'."
"...it kind of is?" Wash said. "I think...I think the reason it happens is because the splinter remembers what its like to be whole. Even if their memories aren't clear, that feeling is still there. They remember what it means to be a full person. But they're not that, not yet. And they get desperate to be like that again. So they try and figure out a way to get there and that usually means focusing on the thing they value the most at the time," he said.
"MK, as a person, puts so much of his self worth on the people around him. And Candid, from my understanding, was meant to be a means of mending problems he thought he was causing in his relationships. So it stands to reason Candid puts even more emphasis on relationships, but he doesn't have all the other stuff in MK to help balance it out, so he went over the edge about it."
"I guess so." The logic works. "But I still should have seen it. We spent so much time together. I knew that he resented MK but I didn't check in enough about that. And if he thought that I loved him more than MK to the point where I wanted him to try and take over, I could have corrected that."
"I mean, its not like people are used to accounting for 'this splintered existence wants to take over the original or other insane thing to try and feel whole.' This is a pretty niche problem, I've just seen it several times because multiverse reasons," he said. So its not like it comes up A LOT, just happens sometimes in all of existence.
"You were dealing with the problem rationally, when things were far outside the norm."
"You were there to help Red Son pick up the pieces. Never discount that. Sometimes that makes all the difference for things like that," he said. And he's not just saying that to be comforting.
Losing Maine entirely had felt like the final nail in Wash's coffin. The one little spark of hope he had offered himself in his villain arc. That maybe Maine was reachable without Sigma anymore.
Then he had to throw him off a cliff.
If the Reds and Blues and Doc hadn't essentially bullied him into staying alive, he wouldn't be.
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"I'm clear on what you need from me, Wash. I may not have every bit of confidence that I'll do it will but I can read a room." He sounds amused, and then kisses Wash's temple again.
And then a chuckle. "I suppose that wardrobe would be fitting for a picnic. And a trip to the smoothie bar you like."
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He kisses over his pulse. "Good to hear. I think you're doing fantastic."
"It is a good smoothie bar. What did you think? The banana might have been too sweet, but I made sure they didn't add anything to the mango."
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He chuckles. "When did you fight MK's clone? Also yeah, not even I can beat MK if he doesn't hold back. In fact, all my mates can wipe the floor with me if they really try, if you account for the Samadhi fire. Not that I think Red would break it out casually." Macaque is pretty powerful but there's still a scale.
Macaque can't help but smile at being told he's doing a decent job of this. "Well... good. I'm glad. If I can be half as helpful as you've been to me, I'll consider it a victory."
He hums in thought. "The banana smelled fine to me. I don't mind sweet as long as it's not artificial-sweet. The mango was great as usual." He kisses Wash's cheek in return. "I keep meaning to try the strawberry one you and Choco like so much. Or some combos."
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"When he was possessed. Some art one, I guess? Managed to point out his symmetry was all wrong with the marks he left on the armor, threw him right off," he said. "But yeah, oneshot moves shouldn't be counted for power scaling. There's a reason you don't make scales with outliers."
"Hm, you have been more than half," he said. At least he thinks so.
He nuzzles his neck more, smiling a bit at the kiss. "Strawberry and banana is really good. I was just in a hurry because I thought I was going to have to menace some gang members stalking me." The reason his heart had picked up so sharply was because he didn't know Carolina had gotten close. He'd known someone was watching him, he hadn't expected that so suddenly.
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"Ah, the art one is pretty basic as far as combat goes. MK himself is way harder to beat, especially if he shifts and with all the fancy new spell circles. He put handcuffs on me that even I couldn't break out of without my shadows. Whatever I missed back home it seems to be a lot." A whole training arc, or something.
Macaque purrs a bit upon hearing that he's been helpful. He wants nothing more than to be someone the people he cares about can rely on, in whatever capacity.
"You'll have to tell me what you like other than fruit if I'm helping make a picnic. I've gotten pretty great at foods from my home country if you like Chinese food. And of course I'll make something sickly sweet for you too. Ever had Peking toffee apples?"
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When he says her reaction speed is insane, he means it. The mod made her run as fast as a speeding car.
"I imagine he would have been a lot harder if he wasn't mind controlled. You might get someone whose more ruthless while mind controlled, which can make them more dangerous, but they're also a lot easier to outmaneuver. Easier to lead where you're want." He's had to deal with it a lot. "A ruthless puppet will never match what a person could do going all out on their own."
"Its been years since I had real Chinese food other than what you guys have made," he said. He hummed "Meena had a recipe from her grandparents...it was this dumpling thing with sauce or broth in it? It was...xiao....lang? Long? Bao?" He frowned, fingers carding through his fur. "She had a couple of those, but its a lot harder to remember what those are, I was a teenager." Which was before his memory got freakishly good.
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Mind controlled MK is absolutely petrifying, as they learned with the Relius thing. "Yeah, well. I still got myself impaled, so. But I guess that was more because I thought I was seeing some sun peek through the mind control clouds."
Macaque nods. "Xiao long bao, soup dumplings. I can make those. See if what I make lives up to your memory."
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"Oh, its still dangerous. Its just anyone who goes on how taking away a person's ability to feel bad makes them their strongest selves is just kind of an idiot. Being a puppet always hamstrings their ability, and once you can account for their raw power, they're always going to go down fast. Its just MK has a stupid amount of raw power to account for," he said.
"It might. It has been a few decades. I hadn't actually gotten the nerve to write a letter home yet," he said. "Preeeetty sure they were told I was dead early on in Freelancer."
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A wince. "The project was just the worst in so many ways."
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"To be fair, that's just secret organization bullshit too."
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"Secret organizations can be bullshit but also less bullshit than that."
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"Hmm, sometimes. Other times....eh. I mean, there was a decent chance all us agents would just go straight mad," he said.
"Soooo. Want to talk about that pause or no?"
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Talk? He's not sure what good it will do.
"You already know what the problem is. I'm still navigating my way through guilt over the Candid thing and what he almost did."
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"Well, yeah, there's the guilt, but I was just wondering if part of that was a reaction to potential personhood," he said.
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"At the end of the game," so after the monitors went out, "he told me that he thought he was doing the right thing because he thought that I loved him most, and he loved me the most. More than MK. I'm not sure it's as simple as 'this was the inevitable result of a fractured existence'."
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"MK, as a person, puts so much of his self worth on the people around him. And Candid, from my understanding, was meant to be a means of mending problems he thought he was causing in his relationships. So it stands to reason Candid puts even more emphasis on relationships, but he doesn't have all the other stuff in MK to help balance it out, so he went over the edge about it."
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"You were dealing with the problem rationally, when things were far outside the norm."
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Yeah, he's still very much not okay.
"I know that I told him not to see me until he can tell me the truth. Ironic, I know, given his name. But I sometimes wonder if that means forever."
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Losing Maine entirely had felt like the final nail in Wash's coffin. The one little spark of hope he had offered himself in his villain arc. That maybe Maine was reachable without Sigma anymore.
Then he had to throw him off a cliff.
If the Reds and Blues and Doc hadn't essentially bullied him into staying alive, he wouldn't be.
"He may not know what the truth is."
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"Sorry, Wash. You don't need this junk right now. My bullshit will still be there tomorrow."
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