You'll have to tell me what a power point is, but whatever it is I'll help you. I'm not quite as good at reading people as Wash but I've known MK long enough to be an expert.
I know what I'm doing with MK and his feelings, at least. That's why I've been starting to work with him on it. What are you trying to convey with this?
Some may be trauma related, some he may just be born with. Choosing to be a hero and continuing to be one always means there's something a little hinky in there because hero work is rough.
Either way, its clear there is some very long term mental problems going on, and there are options that we can use to help him deal with it. Methods that have been tested with high chances to success to help him cope with what's going on in his head in a healthy way instead of the pathologically possessiveness and doom spiraling. I already suggested he writes down his intrusive thoughts so his brain is forced to slow down and actually examine what's in there, so we'll see if that helps.
[ Thankfully Macaque has done some reading on neurodivergence. ]
We don't know much about his creation so anything is possible. It bothers him in a way it never bothered me.
Writing down things is a good idea, if that doesn't work have him draw. He loves art.
Part of what I'm doing with him is getting him to slow his thoughts down, recognize when he's spiraling, and ask questions instead of make assumptions that send him into fits. We only were able to do it a few times, once where he spiraled badly and needed a break and once where he was able to calm down. It helps if someone needs him, he's able to pull it together well for hero stuff, but then he never goes back and examines the feelings he pushed down. He's even putting things on his clones now and they're blaming themselves for not being able to fix matters.
Sometimes it doesn't come out until there is a dramatic shift in circumstances. Its common that parents won't notice any issues with their children until they go to school because suddenly there is a huge circumstance change and the stress alone can cause problems.
Drawing is good for in general stress relief and coping. The writing of the spiraling thoughts is deliberate in that he doesn't write fast so his thoughts have to be slowed down to write them, plus the physical act will probably help as he seems to have stimming tendencies.
The writing would also probably help you guide him into questions until he has more practice.
I am aware of the clones. We had a conversation with Candid that didn't go so well, but I assume you overheard. Choco texted someone, so fifty/fifty on you or Wash.
By the way, in regards to your helping him, you know the difference between 'fix' and 'deal,' yes?
He's terrible with reading and writing was my point. I agree it'd be better but if he can't write, have him draw. It's better than nothing and can teach him the same lessons, and he'd be more likely to actually do it. He couldn't get through Journey to the West and it's about his hero, just for context.
She texted me. Her heartrate skyrocketed and she wanted to tell me she was taken care of. I'm sure she told Wash later.
I know the difference, worry not. But if you have thoughts on it, by all means.
And not being terrible was rather my point. Its a forcible slowing of his thoughts. Sometimes its about using the things that take time to make time in the brain. Half the reason I got good at skateboarding is because I needed to force my brain to reset instead of always being in project mode.
If it doesn't work, then drawing his thoughts is also an option, but that risks it being an abstraction. Writing in all the ways he's telling himself he's horrible takes a while to put into words, but a drawing can convey a lot of those very simply.
Most likely. Eve and I were there.
Good. He didn't. He may need constant reminders. His brain isn't a thing to be fixed, but its problems need adjustments made so they do not go off the rails again. Its likely impossible to remove all his negative thoughts. What matters is he doesn't let those thoughts make big decisions for him.
If you can get him to write consistently, by all means. I just know how he avoids things when they're uncomfortable, and asking him to write about his spirals is doubly so.
His drawings are never abstract that I've seen, if it helps. He draws very literally. Much about the way he thinks is concrete and his artwork is the same.
I don't want to "fix" him, Donnie. I love him as he is, flaws and all. What I've been focusing on with him isn't changing him, it's challenging the assumptions that make him spiral and stopping to think instead of letting things snowball dangerously. Assumptions about how others see him, primarily. To get him to talk to us instead of assume the worst about what we say and use it to hurt himself, which he then reacts to in ways that harm others too. What happened with Choco is exactly that pattern.
I'm a terrible person can just be himself, but looking more and more villainous. Even if his picture isn't abstract, the emotions in it can be.
I've heard Mikey talking about art a lot.
I did call him out on that. I've unfortunately had some past experiences with this mindset. Its disheartening how often people bring on the problems they're so terrified of.
[ Macaque lets the writing versus art thing drop. Fine, if Donnie can get it to happen, more power to him. ]
I'm no one to judge, I've done it myself. But however much I don't judge MK despite being angry with him, I know where this road ends. Whether I judge him or not, if he keeps it up, especially towards you and Choco, I won't be able to keep him in my life. I explained that to him. He does want to change this about himself, so I hope he can. With help.
If you see me shutting down while we work on this, however minimally, definitely say something. I know my own habits too well to overlook that it will probably happen.
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The longterm exposure will help. Wash is good at reading people, but that doesn't always account for flare up symptoms.
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I know what I'm doing with MK and his feelings, at least. That's why I've been starting to work with him on it. What are you trying to convey with this?
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So much.
Some may be trauma related, some he may just be born with. Choosing to be a hero and continuing to be one always means there's something a little hinky in there because hero work is rough.
Either way, its clear there is some very long term mental problems going on, and there are options that we can use to help him deal with it. Methods that have been tested with high chances to success to help him cope with what's going on in his head in a healthy way instead of the pathologically possessiveness and doom spiraling. I already suggested he writes down his intrusive thoughts so his brain is forced to slow down and actually examine what's in there, so we'll see if that helps.
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We don't know much about his creation so anything is possible. It bothers him in a way it never bothered me.
Writing down things is a good idea, if that doesn't work have him draw. He loves art.
Part of what I'm doing with him is getting him to slow his thoughts down, recognize when he's spiraling, and ask questions instead of make assumptions that send him into fits. We only were able to do it a few times, once where he spiraled badly and needed a break and once where he was able to calm down. It helps if someone needs him, he's able to pull it together well for hero stuff, but then he never goes back and examines the feelings he pushed down. He's even putting things on his clones now and they're blaming themselves for not being able to fix matters.
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Drawing is good for in general stress relief and coping. The writing of the spiraling thoughts is deliberate in that he doesn't write fast so his thoughts have to be slowed down to write them, plus the physical act will probably help as he seems to have stimming tendencies.
The writing would also probably help you guide him into questions until he has more practice.
I am aware of the clones. We had a conversation with Candid that didn't go so well, but I assume you overheard. Choco texted someone, so fifty/fifty on you or Wash.
By the way, in regards to your helping him, you know the difference between 'fix' and 'deal,' yes?
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She texted me. Her heartrate skyrocketed and she wanted to tell me she was taken care of. I'm sure she told Wash later.
I know the difference, worry not. But if you have thoughts on it, by all means.
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If it doesn't work, then drawing his thoughts is also an option, but that risks it being an abstraction. Writing in all the ways he's telling himself he's horrible takes a while to put into words, but a drawing can convey a lot of those very simply.
Most likely. Eve and I were there.
Good. He didn't. He may need constant reminders. His brain isn't a thing to be fixed, but its problems need adjustments made so they do not go off the rails again. Its likely impossible to remove all his negative thoughts. What matters is he doesn't let those thoughts make big decisions for him.
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His drawings are never abstract that I've seen, if it helps. He draws very literally. Much about the way he thinks is concrete and his artwork is the same.
I don't want to "fix" him, Donnie. I love him as he is, flaws and all. What I've been focusing on with him isn't changing him, it's challenging the assumptions that make him spiral and stopping to think instead of letting things snowball dangerously. Assumptions about how others see him, primarily. To get him to talk to us instead of assume the worst about what we say and use it to hurt himself, which he then reacts to in ways that harm others too. What happened with Choco is exactly that pattern.
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I'm a terrible person can just be himself, but looking more and more villainous. Even if his picture isn't abstract, the emotions in it can be.
I've heard Mikey talking about art a lot.
I did call him out on that. I've unfortunately had some past experiences with this mindset. Its disheartening how often people bring on the problems they're so terrified of.
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I'm no one to judge, I've done it myself. But however much I don't judge MK despite being angry with him, I know where this road ends. Whether I judge him or not, if he keeps it up, especially towards you and Choco, I won't be able to keep him in my life. I explained that to him. He does want to change this about himself, so I hope he can. With help.
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Its an absolute nightmare to figure out how to deal with your brain attacking you with help. I can only imagine how awful it would be without it.
Probably really bad.
It would honestly explain a lot.
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It is really bad.
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If you see me shutting down while we work on this, however minimally, definitely say something. I know my own habits too well to overlook that it will probably happen.
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Are you okay?
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I'm handling it for now, but that could change.
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I have a long history of putting myself aside for the people I love, what they need. It's a habit I'd like to break.
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Sometimes I lose track of days, but this way I can track it properly.
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I find it harder to say no to anything you ask of me, or Choco, than others, so that will be to your advantage in keeping me talking.
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There is also the Ninpo. I'm still working on being able to track, but I have been getting better at communicating.