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Six-Eared Macaque ([personal profile] castaside) wrote2023-10-02 07:00 pm
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Re: UN: FreeDyver - Text (After Movie Night #5...Sometime post-deal.)

[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-15 02:19 am (UTC)(link)
I do. Family was my idea because I love you. I just don't really know where I fit now.
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[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-15 02:40 am (UTC)(link)
I guess I'd want things to go back to how they were. It's all I can really picture. But I know that you weren't really interested in the few things I do with myself. And I don't feel like I do anything for you so I'm worried it can't. And the things I like that you do appreciate more now are things you can have better at your main home and actually like them, so it feels pointless here.

Maybe I'm wrong, but that's my worry. That I'm just a worse version of everything else you have now.
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[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-15 03:12 am (UTC)(link)
I meant in general. I just don't have much to offer.

The Wash thing isn't your fault. Our outlooks are different and some of the things he was trying to encourage me with made me feel the losses more instead. You were trying to help, especially since there was no one here who can understand.

MK isn't my priority. I was trying to help you both equally. But like me, he was feeling isolated starting especially while preparing for your Heart Game and hadn't had many people to talk to who could see everything going on. You've probably talked to him about that already. But I care about you just as much as I do him, and if I've given you a reason to think I don't then I need to apologize. So I'm sorry.
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[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-15 04:28 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know. It's my issue, but I feel like it was easy for you to be around when you knew I had something you could do for me. But then I feel like an obligation because you don't really get anything to enjoy.

I'm jealous that he helped so much, yeah. Because you and MK are my home. A home I picked by myself and where I felt safe and seen even if no one could really understand. And my home was falling apart, fell apart, still has pieces missing and I did fuck all to protect it because I wasn't convincing and then I wasn't told how bad the break worked. And then someone I met for a bit at Red Son's house is fixing things while everything here still felt like drowning.

It's not one-to-one. I got upset because it felt like you were blowing me off. I know a lot of how he was taking things and the ways he was trying to process things he's never felt or dealt with and what it said about him. But the same as I don't tell him what you trusted me with, I didn't want to overshare. I got upset because MK would listen and sometimes try things even if they failed or something stopped. But with you it was always that you knew MK better even though it was in things neither of you have seen and felt from him. And nothing I could say about what I knew because he's been talking to me about these feelings since he first realized he had a crush on Red Son could budge it. And then my home broke. You broke, I broke, MK broke and hurt Korone. And then broke worse and I couldn't convince you to try something different. And the more things broke the more it hurt. But I'm sorry for yelling and for not making it clear that I knew that you more clear. I thought being close and constantly worrying about your well-being made it obvious, but I should have said so instead of assuming it was.

Also, I have smacked him though. Right around the time I told you to either be honest with him or leave him alone in fact.

I didn't want the deal, I wanted to work on trust ourselves, so no I wouldn't do that with MK. Not after what happened to Wukong. But you were asking me to trust you that it would be okay and you wouldn't let anything like that happen again. But the terms of it are you be OPEN to the IDEA of trusting MK. So you just have to sincerely think about it even if you don't do it at any given time. Not to believe me wholesale just because I said so. I took that part on myself because I chose to HAVE to believe that you deciding against my advice or not convincing you on something isn't me failing you. Period. Because your willingness to at least be open meant I needed to prove that it meant something important to me.
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Re: UN: FreeDyver - Text (After Movie Night #5...Sometime post-deal.)

[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-15 05:13 am (UTC)(link)
The fact that you come away confused when we talk about it and you just kind of tolerate the things I use to cope when I feel like sharing.

You're still my family, so you're still home. I know you've said I had helped a lot, but that doesn't say anything about now. Or the last nearly two years even before we basically stopped talking. And unfortunately not being jealous when a new family appears and do everything I am nicer and better. I can be happy for you and still be jealous that I was here first and can't do as good. That part is okay.

It's a hard habit to break, but I'm trying. People do or double down on bad stuff if they stay caught up in stress and guilt. Like MK planning murder over me.

Agree to disagree? You said I made you feel like your pain and the things MK did wrong weren't being taken into account. I wasn't clear that I saw and wanted your pain to stop too. That feels wrong of me so I wanted to.

I would never force you to change your thoughts that way. I just want you to trust me more, so that's what I asked for. I guess that counts as I thing for where I want to be. I want you to be able to trust me as much as I do you. Not as much as your new family I guess, but yeah.

And it did show that, yeah.
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Re: UN: FreeDyver - Text (After Movie Night #5...Sometime post-deal.)

[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-15 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Liking nice hot chocolate isn't the same as liking the plain stuff that's just powder and water, but fair if you say you do in general now. And I don't expect you to love it or anything. But sometimes it feels like you're barely neutral about them is all. That's the part of my brain that can't grow up.

Skipping down real fast because it feels connected. It's not about a comparison, not fully. And I literally said it's not about having a better relationship than them, so please remember that. It's feeling like I built something for once and it was nice and felt as safe as things can feel, after being ripped away from what I had twice already. But then it kept falling apart after I let my guard down but I couldn't fix it no matter what I tried, and then a professional team moves in next door and builds a sturdier bigger version that feels a lot like what I was going for. It's not that they're the problem, or that I want to come first or to have the best relationship of all. It's feeling like the only reason there's a chance to pick things up is because they have the stronger supports. What I want is to get to a point where it feels more like a different but just as good flavor, instead of feeling like I'm on a waitlist to have my feelings be understood and considered sometimes...and that not being considered is normal I guess. Because everyone says that I deserve to be considered or thought of, but when it doesn't happen it feels normal to me. That's not a competition or a straight comparison for us to them. It's more of one to where things ended up seeing what I want through the window but I still don't even know how to define what we are besides family. And my good memories of what a family even is are 15 years and a lot of trauma away from where I am now. I don't know if that makes any sense at all, but that what I'm working through along with just being here whenever you want to be here because I didn't know what else to do anymore.

Seems like we both dropped the ball on each other. I can't promise that I can only listen when it involves things that strongly affect me too. So for now we should probably avoid those and stick to things I have a little bit of distance from. I can listen to you vent about those without trying to fix it.

I remember that was one part of how it was broken down. But we had more than one conversation before then where I said that the issue was you turning me down so fast that I felt not even considered as trusted or worth listening to. And I broke down the deal out loud one final time before sealing it after you gave that answer. Just to be safe. Work on trust. Be clear on things before taking them negatively. You trust my judgment and be more open to trusting MK, which is why I specifically used the word Open. I trust not being able to help you not meaning that I failed you and/or that you didn't consider my input. You said that sounded right, and that's what I locked in.

And I'm grateful for that. That's why I took the deal the way I did. You didn't waver and were taking what felt like a dangerous step and I needed to meet that equally because I want this to work.
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Re: UN: FreeDyver - Text (After Movie Night #5...Sometime post-deal.)

[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-16 01:09 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a Lost stuck between being an adult and a child. Splitting hairs because it's not the same happens sometimes. You see it as the same thing, but I can't. I can only respect that you enjoy it the same either way and that comfort can happen again.

My issue there is that saying whether I intend to imply basically says the implication is there anyway. Which is why I need to be clear that my words don't imply that. Because I have accidentally implied things by not being clearer. I know this is going to take time, but I don't want any misunderstanding about where I am, where you are, or what that means. I don't want you to feel like you have to push yourself if you aren't feeling it because then none of us really enjoys it. And I don't want you to feel that me being jealous is because I blame them or think they deserve less than you're giving them, or anything remotely close to that.

The problem is that being home and family and safety are all tied in, most of the hurt ties back to MK stuff. The furthest from that I guess is you hearing that I suffered not knowing how seriously my home foundation was cracked because people didn't think about the possible consequences to people who have to pick up the pieces. And you said that it shouldn't have been thought of. And when I said why I wasn't planning to meet Lott, which was me doing exactly what I felt should have been done because I knew something bad was mostly likely going to happen if I did, you decided that what I was talking about wouldn't be unintended if if happened. It felt like me suffering didn't matter but also that I'd still be a bad person over an accident. Which I already know I'm not really a good person even though I'm trying to be.

And yeah, I was worried about Lucifer, and knowing that you were worried and when you worry you run yourself into the ground and beat yourself up makes me worry even more. Especially because it never feels like you slow back down for long. And I couldn't do anything to help but check, and it not being my fault that I can't help you isn't on me it still feels awful and frustrating...because a lot of the time you suggest things to me or tell me that you think it would be better if I do them then I do even when I really don't want to. And I didn't want to say it, but you got annoyed, and it being Autumn meant that since you wanted to know I have to be transparent or lose my home Autumn powers.

We used to talk about Wukong stuff just fine. And it didn't ever feel like I was being pushy, just that I could give some perspective, like that day you found him laying in his nest not moving.

I find that using what you know about a person's nature is the best way to judge intent. Maybe I need to look for what I did to give the impression that I'd ever expect that from you. But we're here now and we'll keep working on it together since we want to go back to how things were as much as possible.
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[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-16 03:32 am (UTC)(link)
No, I'm making an admission of how I see things. I like the nice hot chocolate more because to me it tastes better. I like my hot chocolate more, but not because I'd say it's good. Same for coffee. So I can't see it as the same. I can't feel neutral about it, but you can which means that it's good news.

I talked to Wash when he came to me because I didn't think there was anything wrong with the idea and being a little jealous wasn't really a reason not to talk if it could be good. But I talked to Donnie even though I really didn't want to because it put your mind at ease to know I wasn't just building resentment instead of clearing the air...but I had no expectations I'd feel better because it's very clear that we're emotionally very different in a way that I might never be able to lower my guard and risk deeper hurt. And that's not fine, but it is how things are. It's normal.

I can't fully make peace with you being on their side in all things for a number of reasons that include both being the responsible adult and seeing the result of a single side being taken in all things. But I can make peace with your kids coming first in all things in general. That's its own conversation on things I can't really make anyone understand though. So I won't try here because it's not fair to you.

I've been able to be in that house perfectly fine, party or otherwise and at the beach, so you could have a birthday and invite everyone. Or do what some people do and celebrate on a day close to your birthday with the rest of us if you feel that uneasy about it. Birthdays are important to most people and most of us will do what we need to to make it genuinely enjoyable to the best of our abilities no matter which you choose.

As far as the two households, for me it's going to be awhile before I can drop my guard. Because my home and safety were shattered and still on the mend due to...multiple people's actions and my inaction from both knowing and being in the dark. But I haven't felt a positive change from any of what happened. That's all you and them, MK and them, and you and MK. But not me. I'm not as upset anymore, and I'm not holding any grudges or anything. Not even against Lott. But their mindsets about some not insignificant things (to me) mean that I need to have my guard up about how close I let them and be ready for it to hurt. But I can be as normal and not-awkward as I am anywhere else when I'm around them. MK you can speak to about it if you want, but he's basically fine with them and just keeps things simple. So I don't really see the issue with having us all together for a few hours at least one day out of the year.

I'm not sure how to help about your time division though. I basically just take what I get when you drop by home or work. I'd come if you asked and just hang out so long as there's a space I'm not touching anyone else.

If I say no I won't do something, I feel like I need a reason. A real one. And sometimes that reason isn't going to happen until I do it. I don't mind you suggesting things. The first thing you ever suggested is why were even here in the first place. It's the best thing I never said no to.

I can just stop asking about your self-care since I know the answer and it's just going to be how things are for the foreseeable future. That might be the safer option. You can talk to me about things when you're ready and just tell me if you're just venting or I can actually do something for you. That's about all I can think of right now. It's not an active solution, but we can't break it if I don't open that door.
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[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-16 04:25 am (UTC)(link)
Before you said they're basically the same to you, yes. But you said it's the same but different. It's not to me but but what matters is how you feel about it. I was jealous you started actually enjoying it there, but I could see why.

I understand that that's the way it is. I just need you to understand that that thinking has only ever caused harm whenever I've seen it and not just to me. And I can't say it was for no reason, but it was for a wrong reason. That's just my opinion at this point though.

If that's how you feel it's best, then fine. I won't press the about the suggestions or parties. I just wanted you to know that's basically no different to anywhere else I go, including work and the Dealer's Den. That's all. But from the sounds of it that would be a no-go right now then even without the having been hurt already.

I'm not saying this as a competition, but only because it's different. You weren't dealing with the damage all alone. You weren't in danger. But I know you get it more than you don't and I'm not glad that we have that in common, and I'm glad you did have someones to support you. Which you deserve since you went without for longer than I've existed.

I don't see the logic on why so much is suddenly locked down. There's literally everyone you care about that I have no connection to past "because they're important to Macaque". The only people I know of at the moment that doesn't apply to are MK and Lucifer. But other things considered, it might be a bad idea for post-nightmare talks to be a thing and just to start with being.
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[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-16 10:38 pm (UTC)(link)
It wasn't the cocoa I was sharing. It was home and safety. And I believe you when you say that, but the problem is what do we have now besides me giving you stress? Or was the problem since we know what we want.

I'm not going to push it.

But you were talking to some people through it. Me before I set that boundary and stopped trying to fix things, and Eash at least. And maybe Candid a bit based on his reactions back during the dreamsharing, but only maybe. And you came out overall better from it. There was no one I could talk to. I know that you can do that and still feel alone still. But there was no help for me until last year. And I was also in the middle for most of it. And I stayed in the middle until I fully knew you didn't really trust me.

I did, I was confused why that somehow extended to Wukong or anyone else is all. And if you seem like just being on nightmare nights is too much, I'll siggest you head off.
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[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-16 11:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Alright.

I don't doubt that he does. But he's also proven twice that I was expendable in all things where you're involved. So caring isn't enough for me to let him in again. He got close and I was more comfortable with him than anyone not you or MK. So he has to earn it, if he can. I told him I'll watch through the journey though.

You came out of it with a lot of strong foundations and understanding of yourself. That's good. It just also came with more pain than it should hae.

You're asking me to let you do something you won't let me do. But I'll agree to that so long as you do leave if you're truly uncomfortable. Because I can't wind down if you're fully on edge.
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Re: UN: FreeDyver - Text (After Movie Night #5...Sometime post-deal.)

[personal profile] tethered_roamer 2025-12-16 11:42 pm (UTC)(link)
There are few people I'm not willing to help through these things. But as long as I'm not sure that it won't keep happening it'll be in other places and neutral. I'd be less upset if he had just tried to kill me or something.

Your foundations are willing to bend over backwards to help and support you. That's very strong. But I understand not liking the you that you understood. You're more open and you know better ways to deal with most things. That's not nothing.

I am always uncomfortable Macaque. And I didn't say I'm not interested. Just that there's going to be a long time before I even consider lowering my guard because of how things are with us. You wouldn't be pushing anything on me by wanting a day together with none of us at odds and I can at least say I wouldn't be the one at odds if things started to go badly. If they also won't put things at odds then there shouldn't be anything more awkward than people who don't know each other well being in a party.

Short might work.
Edited 2025-12-16 23:42 (UTC)